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On the 4th annual Women’s Murder Club Day, I’d like to kick off the discussion with a simple question: Where do you think these characters would be and what kind of cases would they deal with in 2012, in their 5th season?

We learned a long time ago that the representation of women in the media is not accidental, but very much intersected with political interests and gender ratio in the places where media is made. Fictional characters are just another expression of these facts, and if you want all of it summed up, I highly recommend the documentary Miss Representation. In 2007, Women’s Murder Club and its themes were clearly ahead of its time. It wasn’t around long enough for feminists to find and love it and hate groups to protest it; sadly it couldn’t really benefit from twitter as much as shows do now.
The idea of women connecting on a professional and private level for change in a setting where minorities were not blatantly overlooked – sounds almost radical in 2012 where there’s a real war on women and their rights.

We can only imagine what this extraordinary show, if it had still been in the talented hands of Sarah Fain and Elizabeth Craft, would look like. That’s what I want you to do. Tell us about your season 5 and what happened in between and, just generally, your WMC story.

(PS: Also check out wmcday and @wmcday1 on twitter).

Thank you!


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May. 13th, 2012 07:42 am (UTC)
Season 5 Predictions & Hopes
Wow, a lot of things to consider...I guess I'll go by each of the main characters individually because it's just easier that way, ha. Also, I'm not sure how much of this will be what I hope would happen by now in comparison to actually what would happen so please keep that in mind when reading it because try as I might I know I can't keep the hope at bay for certain characters. :) Here we go...

Jill - I both hope and actually think at this point (S5) Jill would be in a stablish relationship with someone, I stay stablish because it's still Jill and even in S5 I think she'd have a tendency to bolt if provoked enough by a lasting commitment. Ha. Though I would like to see her working on trying to commit even if it ends badly and she doesn't learn to really commit until S6. I'd love to see her having progressed in her career to maybe where she's the new DA instead of ADA; Denise would have moved up to a judge possibly at the end of S4 so she could still hang around but it gives Jill advancement in her career which I'm not sure she would have gotten in the courts there had Denise not moved up, but that could just be me. 

Claire - Claire I picture being the same for some reason...maybe because she is the constant steady force for them all being a mother. Her and Ed's marriage would be solid again and they might even be talking about a third child; over all though, I don't know if I see her changing a lot and if she did I'm not sure how in my eyes. 

Cindy - Because she's so persistent, I see Cindy finally having won some major writing awards for all the stories she's done on Lindsay and actually being offered television spots giving her the sub plot of thinking about a career change which might end up limiting her access to Lindsay reporter wise but also the possibility of her moving depending on where the job was located; not that I'd ever have her leave because she's my favorite. :) I'd hope by S5 we'd learn more on her backstory through previous season episode so we'd have things to go on with it; and of course even though it wouldn't happen actually on the show outside of more subtext, if I could, I'd have L/C finally as a couple and adjusting to living together by now because it sounds easy to do for them but I'm sure it sounds easy to all couples then you get there and....definite adjustments required to the newness, ha. And of course I'd hope she'd still be Cindy all happy and upbeat and curious and breaking into places she shouldn't because it was all part of her charm if you ask me. :)

Lindsay - definitely think by S5 we'd see her dealing with at least a new partner probably as Jacobi would have retired by the end of S4 or start relatively of S5 if not possibly seeing Lindsay competing for Tom's job; her not really wanting a desk job but career advancement and political pressure pushing her towards it because a politician wants a woman in power over the department to show women can do the job just as well as men. A Lindsay/Cindy romantic relationship of course would be great to see her have by S5. Pretty much it though I guess, like Claire she's pretty set in her ways at this point except she'd be a little less uptight thanks to Cindy's influence in her life. :)

As for the cases....by S5 I think we'd see another killer arc, hopefully with a more fulfilling conclusion, as well as cases involving character's pasts that we didn't see on the show like maybe a member of the group being accused for helping put someone away who might actually be innocent so we get to see them deal with the turmoil of "what if". Honestly, I think we'd see a lot of cases that follow most cop shows about murder, I mean there's only so many ways you can dress it up - murder is still murder however maybe they could introduce other departments in their cases thus occasionally having to work with narcotics or arson and do the whole "which department is right" thing...just a variety of cases from the simple to the complex. 

What do you see happening to our group of characters by S5 and their work load? :)
May. 13th, 2012 11:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Season 5 Predictions & Hopes
There is just no short answer to that, lol! They were already there with episodes 8 and 9. My wish would be that some of the hot political topics everyone is discussing these days would have been addressed in cases. Lindsay/Cindy would have been the ideal, but I'm not sure I'd trust ABC that far even if JP, SF & EC could have imagined it.
I agree on Claire - she'd be the solid rock, at work, at home, with her friends.
I love the term 'stablish' - I think that works well for Jill :). She probably still wouldn't want to get married and/or have kids, but being with someone in a good relationship is something we could have only wished for her.
If there had been no Lindsay/Cindy, at least I would have liked them being given a break with the straight relationships. Maybe someone younger for Lindsay, like it was hinted at in the unaired (never mind I thought he was gay there for a moment ;)). In any case, given the chance, it would have just become even more awesome. After 5 seasons, I think it would have been okay to say goodbye, because this is the mark where shows often drag on. Or maybe they could have gone into seven good years ;).
May. 13th, 2012 07:44 am (UTC)
The unaired pilot was so badass it almost hurt. So many strong women. The show itself was mind blowing enough, but the unaired pilot kind of took the cake.
May. 13th, 2012 04:36 pm (UTC)
And now I read the whole prompt. One of my pet theories a long time ago was that Cindy would actually be bi in cannon. She seemed so in touch with the community, and she never really talked about boys, so there was an opportunity there. I felt like it could be done pretty realistically (and would have rounded out the pretty diverse cast). Not sure if she would've ended up with Lindsay, just because having two strong female and queer leads might've been a bit much, but I could definitely see Lindsay acting maybe a little weird around Cindy's SO.

What I would've liked to happen is have Tom get promoted or have him leave the department or something, and then have Jacobi get the new job. He wouldn't have to retire for a few more years, and then Lindsay would've still had to get a new partner. I could see her being really grumpy and bitter about it until confronted (just based on the way she reacted to Cindy coming around).

I could also see them ending up with a couple of hate crimes. And it might be something of a futile hope, but I could see this show addressing transgender people really well as well.
May. 13th, 2012 11:29 pm (UTC)
They could go with the book and have Cindy become involved with Lindsay's new partner. Only make the new partner a woman.
May. 13th, 2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
Both would have been fun if it had been in the original creators' hands, for sure! :)
May. 14th, 2012 01:10 am (UTC)
I agree on Cindy, there was quite a bit of evidence to that theory, but then again, ABC probably wouldn't have been that revolutionary. Then again, these days, with shows like The Good Wife around, who knows what could have been possible? Like you said, one could only hope. Maybe at some point, the TV landscape will have 'evolved' that far, and we could have seen all letters of LGBT represented. A lot of political discussions these days certainly shake things up these days, hopefully with results in media/entertainment. I, too, imagine them investigating hate crimes as a possibiltiy.
May. 23rd, 2012 12:43 pm (UTC)
Did you see AD on The Good Wife?
May. 13th, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
qbeck and I watched it just two days ago, agree completely! So happy that there was a time when we were able to get hold of it.
May. 13th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
It's hard to figure where the series would have gone. Based on the early episodes it could have gone somewhere good. Based on the last three, not so much. I'm still a bit bitter with how it ended, they really seemed to get away from the club and focused on Lindsay. Of course that could have just been to closed out the KMN case and maybe it wouldn't have stayed that way.

I agree with many of the above observation about where the characters could go.

Some episode ideas:
Claire dealing with empty nest as her oldest goes to college
Lindsay and Jill arguing over the DA's office offering deals to criminals for larger convictions.
Cindy getting herself in trouble (I know--that's a given)
They would each get a back story episode.
Tom would leave ( I hope)
Lindsay would dump Pete (I double hope)
And they would probably all, except Claire, have a new f**k every week. Kinda like R&I last season.
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